#23023: "Option to use "corrected" cards from expansion"
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• Te rugăm copiază/lipeşte mesajul erorii pe care îl vezi pe ecran, dacă apare vreunul.
The Saint Petersburg expansion re-balanced some of the base game cards and it would be awesome to have a game option to use those versions of the cards as an alternate, they really do improve the game balance. They are: Czar & Carpenter cost 3, produces 2 rubles; Observatory cost 8; Academy cost 25, produces 9 points; Mistress of Ceremonies cost 18, produces 3 rubles and 4 points; Mariinski Theatre cost 20, produces 1 point per aristocrat (instead of rubles)
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• Explică, te rugăm, ce ai vrut să faci, ce ai făcut, și ce s-a întâmplat
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• Va rugam copiati/lipiti textul afisat in engleza in locul limbii dumneavoastra. Dacă ai o captură de ecran cu acest bug (ceea ce îți sugerăm), poți folosi Imgur.com pentru încărcarea imaginii și pentru a pune link-ul aici.
The Saint Petersburg expansion re-balanced some of the base game cards and it would be awesome to have a game option to use those versions of the cards as an alternate, they really do improve the game balance. They are: Czar & Carpenter cost 3, produces 2 rubles; Observatory cost 8; Academy cost 25, produces 9 points; Mistress of Ceremonies cost 18, produces 3 rubles and 4 points; Mariinski Theatre cost 20, produces 1 point per aristocrat (instead of rubles)
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• Vă rugăm să explicați sugestia exact și concis, astfel încât să fie cât mai ușor de înțeles.
The Saint Petersburg expansion re-balanced some of the base game cards and it would be awesome to have a game option to use those versions of the cards as an alternate, they really do improve the game balance. They are: Czar & Carpenter cost 3, produces 2 rubles; Observatory cost 8; Academy cost 25, produces 9 points; Mistress of Ceremonies cost 18, produces 3 rubles and 4 points; Mariinski Theatre cost 20, produces 1 point per aristocrat (instead of rubles)
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• Ce a fost afișat pe ecran atunci când ai fost blocat (Ecran gol? O parte din interfața jocului? Mesaj de eroare?)
The Saint Petersburg expansion re-balanced some of the base game cards and it would be awesome to have a game option to use those versions of the cards as an alternate, they really do improve the game balance. They are: Czar & Carpenter cost 3, produces 2 rubles; Observatory cost 8; Academy cost 25, produces 9 points; Mistress of Ceremonies cost 18, produces 3 rubles and 4 points; Mariinski Theatre cost 20, produces 1 point per aristocrat (instead of rubles)
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• Care parte din reguli nu a fost respectată de adaptarea BGA
The Saint Petersburg expansion re-balanced some of the base game cards and it would be awesome to have a game option to use those versions of the cards as an alternate, they really do improve the game balance. They are: Czar & Carpenter cost 3, produces 2 rubles; Observatory cost 8; Academy cost 25, produces 9 points; Mistress of Ceremonies cost 18, produces 3 rubles and 4 points; Mariinski Theatre cost 20, produces 1 point per aristocrat (instead of rubles)
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• Se observă frauda când derulați reluarea? Dacă da, la a câta mutare?
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• Care a fost acțiunea pe care ai vrut să o faci?
The Saint Petersburg expansion re-balanced some of the base game cards and it would be awesome to have a game option to use those versions of the cards as an alternate, they really do improve the game balance. They are: Czar & Carpenter cost 3, produces 2 rubles; Observatory cost 8; Academy cost 25, produces 9 points; Mistress of Ceremonies cost 18, produces 3 rubles and 4 points; Mariinski Theatre cost 20, produces 1 point per aristocrat (instead of rubles)
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• Ce ai făcut de ai produs această reacție/eroare?
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• Ce se întâmplă atunci când vrei să faci asta (apare o eroare, un mesaj din partea jocului in partea de sus a ecranului, ...)?
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• În ce etapă a jocului a apărut eroarea (care era instrucțiunea din acel moment) ?
The Saint Petersburg expansion re-balanced some of the base game cards and it would be awesome to have a game option to use those versions of the cards as an alternate, they really do improve the game balance. They are: Czar & Carpenter cost 3, produces 2 rubles; Observatory cost 8; Academy cost 25, produces 9 points; Mistress of Ceremonies cost 18, produces 3 rubles and 4 points; Mariinski Theatre cost 20, produces 1 point per aristocrat (instead of rubles)
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• Ce se întâmplă atunci când vrei să acționezi în joc (apare o eroare, un mesaj din partea jocului in partea de sus a ecranului, ...)?
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• Descrieți, vă rugăm, problema de afișaj. Dacă ai o captură de ecran cu acest bug (ceea ce îți sugerăm), poți folosi Imgur.com pentru încărcarea imaginii și pentru a pune link-ul aici.
The Saint Petersburg expansion re-balanced some of the base game cards and it would be awesome to have a game option to use those versions of the cards as an alternate, they really do improve the game balance. They are: Czar & Carpenter cost 3, produces 2 rubles; Observatory cost 8; Academy cost 25, produces 9 points; Mistress of Ceremonies cost 18, produces 3 rubles and 4 points; Mariinski Theatre cost 20, produces 1 point per aristocrat (instead of rubles)
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The Saint Petersburg expansion re-balanced some of the base game cards and it would be awesome to have a game option to use those versions of the cards as an alternate, they really do improve the game balance. They are: Czar & Carpenter cost 3, produces 2 rubles; Observatory cost 8; Academy cost 25, produces 9 points; Mistress of Ceremonies cost 18, produces 3 rubles and 4 points; Mariinski Theatre cost 20, produces 1 point per aristocrat (instead of rubles)
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• Este textul acesta disponibil în sistemul de traduceri? Dacă da, a fost tradus mai recent de 24 de ore?
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• Vă rugăm să explicați sugestia exact și concis, astfel încât să fie cât mai ușor de înțeles.
The Saint Petersburg expansion re-balanced some of the base game cards and it would be awesome to have a game option to use those versions of the cards as an alternate, they really do improve the game balance. They are: Czar & Carpenter cost 3, produces 2 rubles; Observatory cost 8; Academy cost 25, produces 9 points; Mistress of Ceremonies cost 18, produces 3 rubles and 4 points; Mariinski Theatre cost 20, produces 1 point per aristocrat (instead of rubles)
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Raportează istoric
First, some cards were straight out revised in the second edition. For example the Judge cost was increased from 16 to 17 (for same stats). Observatory might have become 7. I could look up what else they did.
But *then*, there is separately an expansion that has you make the 7 card replacements detailed above. However, that is done at the same time as you are also adding a bunch of other expansion cards (including a third Judge), AND modifying a critical game rule (extra distinct nobles after 10 are +10 points). It's not clear that these 7 replacement cards were ever designed to be used for pure replacement only without the other changes.
Beyond knowing they exist I am not familiar with the expansions. I am happy to implement what players want, given time and publisher permission...
My recommendation would be to just go with the 2nd edition without an option. Reason: this is how the designer/publisher is selling the game today.
I have all versions of the game and all versions of all the expansions. I've started a spreadsheet to try to make sense of all the different cards in all their different versions:
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qDbSJ6PaFZ2fot57n451ruSB8nLpmYvHEZ6Xe6Dg8DQ/edit?usp=sharing
I think the initial suggestion was to add the available expansions to the FIRST edition of Saint Petersburg, especially the "New Society" expansion. In addition to some completely new cards, in this expansion the following cards from the base version are replaced:
Tzar and Carpenter: cost 8, 3R income => cost 3, 2R income
Observatory (2): cost 6 => cost 8
Academy: cost 23, 7VP income => cost 25, 9VP income
Mistress of Ceremonies (2): 6R + 3VP income => 3R + 4VP income
Mariinskij Theater: cost 10, 1R per Aristocrat income => cost 20, 1VP per Aristocrat income
Furthermore, you now get 10 additional victory points at the end of the game for every unique aristocrat over the tenth and the maximum number of players is increased to 5.
As the rule book states that you can play just with a couple of cards from the expansion, I would suggest adding an option like "rebalanced cards" that replaces all cards as explained above, if someone does not want to play with all of the new expansion cards/features. This option could also be used for the arena mode for example.
The second expansion for the first version is "Banquet", that introduces a new trading card (Tzar - Suprstar [what a silly name tbh]), two additonal Potjemkin's villages (1/4 and 3/8) together with 9 violet special cards.
Here is an overview: cf.geekdo-images.com/imagepagezoom/img/V64MAdlSLpqn7YMmAaKffZaH8rM=/fit-in/1200x900/filters:no_upscale():strip_icc()/pic2372091.jpg
I would not mix the first version with the second version on BGA like in the spreadsheet. Either you add an option to switch between the two versions (similar to 7 Wonders) or you replace the first version with the second. I would prefer the first solution :)
In Good Company boardgamearena.com/bug?id=24937
The New Society boardgamearena.com/bug?id=24939
The Banquet boardgamearena.com/bug?id=24941
... just so that there is a proper place to discuss/track each of these less confusingly. Not trying to seem greedy, Marcuda :-)
This issue just needs a decision of what to do for the base-set cards
a) Keep the first edition versions
b) Use the second edition cost-nerfs for Obs/Judge/Mistress
c) Use the 7 "new society" replacements and first edition Judge cost (16)
d) Use the 7 "new society" replacements and second edition Judge cost (17)
e) Give the option between some two of the above (but I beg please, only two :-))
(note: IF later the New Society expansion is ever offered, then (c) and (d) have the advantage that nothing else will need to change, it will simply add more cards, which is easy for users to understand.)
Having thought more about this I'm revising my own stance (for whatever it's worth). I feel pretty convinced that ALL the modifications have served to make the game better -- so option (d).
I can see the argument for offering an option between (a) and (d): simply the fact that most users are *accustomed* to (a). But those cards really were pretty broken. And yknow... nerfs are a fact of life in online gaming.
The problem with an option is that it's so weird going between multiple turn-based games that all use different rules. For that reason I tend not to join other people's tables and always create tables of my own, so I can have consistency.
There is now a suggestion for an option to forbid buying her (but not forbid taking her into hand) on round 1.
When other players accept the Judge with 16R, c) is also acceptable.
Because his power is a smaller than the Mistress.
I strongly hope for the introduction of the New Society expansion.
It would be very simple, as all we need to do is make it possible to add the expansion to the existing first edition of the game.
It's already implemented in Yucata, so it should be possible to do so in BGA as well.
In any case, I feel that it's strange that the current situation is still being left as it is in 2025.
I love the game myself, but I've stopped playing it now, and I hope it will be implemented as soon as possible.
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