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#103348: "Better algorithm in order to get less repeats"

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7 Nov 2023 11:22 • cigma • Această sugestie nu a fost analizată încă de dezvoltatori:

7 Nov 2023 11:28 • KuWizard • Dezvoltatorii ar dori mai multe informaţii despre această sugestie:

As I already mentioned in the thread mentioned, if there's any developer who would like to invest their time - I'm ready to share the code and lead to the correct direction.
Sorry for that but I'm not ready to invest my time in Just One anymore

7 Nov 2023 13:28 • Mr Karotte • Dezvoltatorii ar dori mai multe informaţii despre această sugestie:

I'd be game to include changes. Still wondering whether it might not be easier to just add a couple hundred extra words.

7 Nov 2023 14:23 • KuWizard • Dezvoltatorii ar dori mai multe informaţii despre această sugestie:

@Mr Karotte, It will be easier technically of course. But the publisher is against it.

7 Nov 2023 14:31 • Dorian Gray2 • Dezvoltatorii ar dori mai multe informaţii despre această sugestie:

KuWizard: Like I Poster in the forum:
So for example, if $wordID is 1, it would take the first word for every 13 card?
That would be like 5 options for the card index combinations.

I guess the fix would be to use a different word index for every of the 13 cards. that would be like 5^13 = 1.220.703.125 options.

So, you would have to recalculate the wordID for each card, instead of computing it once on game start. Seems to be a pretty trivial change, isn't it?

If you would share code I could take a look at that.

7 Nov 2023 15:26 • KuWizard • Dezvoltatorii ar dori mai multe informaţii despre această sugestie:

@Dorian Gray2, this is a trivial change indeed however I just don't get how double shuffling gets a better chance of getting a new word. I already shuffle "cards" so it's randomised. Randomising a number to get a word (choosing a random number from 0-4) looks like a unnecessary complication. But if you have a proof that this does increase randomness - I'll add this, no problem.

7 Nov 2023 15:46 • Dorian Gray2 • Dezvoltatorii ar dori mai multe informaţii despre această sugestie:

Well, each wod should have the same likelihood. Im just talking about the number of game variation. It would still be good to make that change, as that would be closer to a real game behaviour.

I don't have an idea why this algo would be biased towards specific words. I guess that either your card shuffling or the index selection is flawed. Are you using random_int(4) for that wordID? And how do you shuffle cards?

7 Nov 2023 15:54 • KuWizard • Dezvoltatorii ar dori mai multe informaţii despre această sugestie:

en.doc.boardgamearena.com/Main_game_logic:_yourgamename.game.php#Dice_and_bga_rand
We are forced to use bga_rand() and I'm using it.

However for cardIds I create an array from 0 to 549, use PHP shuffle() method and take first 13 or first 550 depending on a game option.

8 Nov 2023 13:00 • Dorian Gray2 • Dezvoltatorii ar dori mai multe informaţii despre această sugestie:

KuWizard: Proof for less repetitions is as follows:

Consider two different games.
Assume you drew [b]two[/b] equal [b]cards[/b] in both games.
The propability that [b]both[/b] cards have the same word (two repetitions) is:
- 20 % in your variant (you have to select the same index in the second game as in the first, and both words will repeat)
- 4 % in the variant with indices per card (as you select a different index for each card).

If you have 3 same cards, it's always 20% in your variant, and 0.8% in the index-per-card-variant.

I guess that would just feel more random to players. If you have one repetition, you don't notice it. If you have [b]two[/b] repetitions, you might notice it.

So, could you pretty please change it? :)

19 Apr 2025 23:53 • eneri • Dezvoltatorii ar dori mai multe informaţii despre această sugestie:

This is still an issue: We played three games today:
Game 1) with 4 players,
Game 2) new game with a 5th player joined
Game 3) rematch of game 2 with the same players.
In the 3rd game, we had 3 words that we already had in the first game.

@Dorian Gray2 or @Mr Karotte, did you have a chance to look at the code?
I would vote for option C: let the players pick one of the 5 words on the card - but this is probably the most complex change, as the game is developed with individual words, not with cards, isn't it? Or why would there be 500 cardIds (and not 110?) as mentioned here: "However for cardIds I create an array from 0 to 549, use PHP shuffle() method and take first 13 or first 550 depending on a game option."

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